How to Find Your Core Values | The Better Than Rich Show Ep. 21

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How to Find Your Core Values

Do you know what is IMPORTANT to you?

Do you know what you STAND for?

Do you know what you VALUE?

Often when we ask people what their VALUES are - most have a general idea - like family, integrity, hard work…

But, outside of that…they haven’t considered what their values are on a DEEPER level. OR how your values are impacted when it’s “game time.”

If we asked you to define your “CORE 6” values…would you be able to?

Your CORE 6 is just six words that you LIVE by, aspire to, and how you reflect on those words when it’s time to make ANY decision.

On this week’s episode, we’re here to talk all things values & alignment. How to find it with yourself, what it means, and how life can feel & be once you are CLEAR on them.

We’ll also be walking you through one of our FAVORITE activities to help you define your CORE 6 values.

Wanna get a headstart? Grab this PDF list of 300 values and get ready to have your mind blown.

Can’t wait to see you inside the episode!

And, as always, be sure to check out our FREE Facebook community here and share your biggest takeaways from this episode!

Mike Abramowitz 0:11
Welcome to the better than rich show with your hosts Andrew Biggs and Mike Abramowitz. The better than rich show helps ambitious leaders who are on a mission to leave the world better than they found it changed their perspective on what's important, increase their income and impact and systemize their life and business. If you've ever struggled with finding your purpose and felt disconnected or distracted or found yourself going through the motions, this show will remind you that what you do matters and will re inspire you to chase your highest dreams. It's time for you to become better than rich.

Andrew Biggs 0:45
Hello, everyone and welcome to the better the rich Show. I'm your host Andrew Biggs and I'm here with my co host, Mike Abramowitz. Mike, how you doing today?

Mike Abramowitz 0:52
Feeling good. We had a doctor's appointment this morning with James. He's doing good and getting ready to rock and roll. We're feeling good,

Andrew Biggs 0:59
awesome, man. Awesome. Well, a bit of housekeeping before we dive into today's topic, which is how to find your core values. We are doing a contest right now if you rate and review us, you will get put into a raffle. So what we need to do is just give us a rating give us a review on Apple podcasts. Let us know what you think of the show thus far. And we will go ahead and put you into the raffle in the coming weeks here to win the better than rich water bottle. Mike, you have a rating you want to share with us and review you want to share with us real quick.

Mike Abramowitz 1:27
Yes, from Ali and drew to they said five stars such a big fan of this show better than rich is an amazing community. And I love how these podcasts capture some of the value that this community provides one of my favorite shows right now, exclamation point. So we don't know who you are Ali and Drew, but we appreciate you. Thank you so much for your support.

Andrew Biggs 1:51
Thank you so much. We appreciate it. So Mike, I you know, we're jamming a little bit here about the topic ahead of today's recording and talking about the idea of finding your core values. And you know, one of the first questions that came up for me that I'd love to pose to use as a starting point is the importance of knowing your values. Like why does that even matter? Because, you know, the reality is, I think a lot of people don't know their values, I talked to them, I say hey, what do you really value? What do you care about? And, you know, sometimes they have answers, but they haven't really thought deeply about it. What what comes up for you when you think about why knowing your values matters?

Mike Abramowitz 2:29
Well, for me, by me getting clear on my values, I was able to it helps with my decision making. So whenever I'm saying yes to one thing, or saying no to something else, it typically is under the umbrella of well, let me look at my values list first. So it helps with my decision making. And what does the decision mean? Where does that come from a Latin rooted word, meaning to cut off from. So when I want to cut off from something, I want to make sure that I'm being guided by principles, not by emotion. So I want to make sure that okay, let me figure out what I'm anchored to, and what am I want to what do I want to be anchored to do I want to be anchored to emotions that are like the waves in the ocean that are constantly changing? Or do I want to be anchored to the mountain or the ocean floor, that's not going to move, and I think about our core values being the foundation that's not going to move that is going to be we're going to be able to be anchored to something that is stationary. And that's going to help us with our decision making. That's what immediately shows up for me. Right, right. And

Andrew Biggs 3:31
so what I'm hearing you say and I agree with this is that values are basically like a filter so that you can actually make decisions that are in alignment with them. And you can use it as a filtering process to say, Should I go left? Should I go? Right? Well, let me see what's more in alignment with my values. Oh, it seems like because I value integrity, I should tell the truth here, I'm gonna go with option A versus option B or whatever that may be. And ultimately, so many people haven't thought deeply about that, that when they find themselves, you know, in the position of having to make a decision. They're kind of blown about by the wind, right? You know, whether you're a Biblical person or not, you know, we think about the story of the man who built his house upon the sand. And well you know, the story in the in the Bible is, well there's, you know, some people build their homes upon the sand. And you know, when the storm comes, it collapses versus other people building their their houses upon the solid rock. And with those people, they're able to able to hold us withhold the storm. And of course, that has a different meaning biblically, but if we just look at it from a practical perspective, you know, when you are foundationally clear, when you're super clear on your identity, when you've defined who you are, and you know what your values are. There's so many benefits to that because you're not kind of, you know, you don't have to be anxious, you don't have to be depressed. You don't have to be, you know, battered around by the circumstances of life. Even if things aren't going your way, you have something to rely on, you have something to, to come back to. And I just think that it's so important. And so you know how to find your core values. There's a, there's a number of methods that you all can think about. By the way, if you're with us live, I see a few of you watching, feel free to chime in the comments on this thread. And we'll answer your questions live here on the show. But yeah, Mike, when you think about how to actually go about finding your values, what comes up for you there?

Mike Abramowitz 5:29
Oh, I mean, I did this activity in 2018. And I have fun those watching on YouTube, I have my little sign here. And I did this in 2018. And I went through a list of all of them probably 200, or 300 different words to pick out and to getting to my core six. And that activity is very popular, a lot of people have gone through it, and it just like a bunch of different words, and you should just narrow down by half. So if it starts with 200, and it's like, Alright, get to 100, once you get to 100, then get to 50. Once you get to 50, get to 25. Once you get to 25 and get to 12, or 13. Once you get to 12, or 13, can you narrow it down to the top five or six. And it's a fun activity, I definitely recommend you doing that if you haven't done so yet. And then once I was able to do that, I was able to figure out the words that fit in both most with me now back in 2018. It was abundant life, influence, jovial, openness, resolve and optimistic. And it was really cool, because those are the words that I needed most in 2018 2017 2018, I needed a little bit more practice and in feeling the gratitude and feeling the beauty of life around me. And then influence was number two and then jovial, feeling playful and cheerful and fun. From there, I have evolved them. So I do this. I do this every year just to see if I want to adapt or adjust or modify and just making sure that this is my leading principle where I want to lead. And this year, for 2022. I moved influenced to the top so influence is now number one. And then I changed up some of the words I made jovial fun, since jovial started losing meaning to me, it's like I don't use that word all the time. So I changed the word jovial to fun. And I moved that into number two. And then I moved number three became faith. So I moved optimistic and I changed the word optimistic to faith. And I moved that to number three, I kept openness as number four, but I changed the word openness to love. And then I changed the word resolve to courage for number five, and then abundant life became number six. And I changed that to the word free. So now mine is influenced fun, faith, love, Courage free. And then we could talk in a moment about like the definitions of these, but a lot of them are the same definitions as these other words, and I define them the very, very much similar, but now by me leading with influence versus leading with abundant life. During the last couple of years, the decision making has been in alignment with being a person of influence a person who contributes to meaningful work that makes a positive difference in people's life. And because I'm clear with my number one, and then getting even more clear with my number to have fun, making sure I'm enjoying the process and experience playful expressions in each moment. Maybe being able to do those two things. Life, the lens of my life has been completely shifted, versus abundant life backed by influence. Yeah, totally unfair. But

Andrew Biggs 8:44
yeah, but since you're on a roll, I have a follow up question like What is you know, and by the way, if you were watching alongside on the YouTube, or you're live with us, I threw some potential words up there on the screen. So if you want to go back and screenshot that, you certainly can. Mike helped me understand what are like when you talk about the actual definitions of these words. You know, you've often said that that really matters to you as well. Why do you need to actually take the time to define what they mean to you? Versus just kind of having a list of five words? Or five, six words? What do you what do you think?

Mike Abramowitz 9:17
Yeah, well, it's a good question. Because when, at least for me, when I just see the word, it sometimes gives me a different feeling or a different meaning sometimes, depending on depending on when I see it, like, especially words that are overused all the time, like the word stress, or happiness, like people say these words all the time, but they don't really, if you had to ask them a follow up question is like, how do you define stress? Or how do you define happiness? And sometimes they get a little stuck. So I think premeditating the definition of the word just gives the meaning and what's the meaning the meaning is, is more of like the emotional juice and the clarity of what the word actually means to me. So why is that important? Well, I'm able to I'm able To read my, my definitions every day, so I look at mine, I call it a shot of positivity. And then it allows me to question like, Am I in alignment? Not with just the word but with how I define the word. Or again, I feel like I'm just kind of dancing around the answer, but that's what it does for me. Maybe you can ask the same question differently. If

Andrew Biggs 10:21
I didn't know, I think it's, I think it's great. I mean, basically, if I were to summarize back what I heard, it's, you are taking the word, and then you're stripping it of maybe what the whatever connotations the society at large, may have, and then you're basically, you know, defining it for yourself. It's obviously not completely different. But you're defining it for yourself, and then you're reviewing that definition daily, and asking yourself, you know, whether it's a on a scale from one to 10, or one to five, or whatever, how in alignment with this value, have I been in the last 24 hours? How in alignment with this, this value of courage or abundant life or influence? Have I been the last, you know, seven days, 30 days, etc? And, yeah, what a great practice, right? And so, because oftentimes, the other the other problem I see with people making their values is they, they come up with their values, and then they throw them in a drawer somewhere, they're stuck in a notebook in the closet, and they never looked back at. Um, so just another great reminder there. Yeah,

Mike Abramowitz 11:17
in the point that, that helped me, you helped me a ton with this, because a lot of the people I surrounded myself with said their values are like family, faith. Sure. Fitness, right. Like, they'll use like the F's. And that works great. And I love it

Andrew Biggs 11:32
and says, Yeah, finances.

Mike Abramowitz 11:34
These are the these are the apps that they value. And I think that's fantastic. But not that I don't value my family, I do value my family. But the way you described it, to me was the values that you want to continue to embody even more to express what you want to express to your family. It's more of like, I wouldn't say they're verbs, but it's like they're they are more of like action oriented words. So when I use the word courage, and that's my number five value. And my definition of that is to live big and push through discomfort, commanding my presence. Why is that important? And when I hear courage, and I hear it, I think almost like vulnerability, is to be willing to push through discomfort, and being willing is what comes for me for courage versus if somebody else hears courage, they might just think, like a firefighter storming in and kicking down the door, or like, you know, a Marine, being courageous in that way, where my interpretation of courage and my definition of courage is more of the way I wanted to interpret courage, from my lens, and for what I need to show up for my family, not that I don't value family, but I value showing up in a courageous way for my family, I value having love defined as ability to receive full enjoyment and joy from the smallest gifts in life consistently and unconsciously. Well, I want to value my family, but I'd much rather value love inside the relationships with my family from that definition. Again, this was this is a conversation you and I had when you were coaching me back, probably around 2018. So probably about four years ago was when I was really digging into a lot of this and these lessons stuck with me since then, and it was actually I think it was also anchored in an immersion event that I went to in San Francisco, that you were getting to where we really deep dove into some of these, some of these principles as well. So there's the power of like, not only doing my own reflection, my own work, but also having you as a coach, and then also going into an immersion immersive event. So there was a lot of hours and time and, and dollars invested into getting this clear on some of this stuff a few years later,

Andrew Biggs 13:51
right. And again, it's just a great example, where if you're kind of reflexively saying that your values are one thing. You know, oftentimes you kind of just have these like these go to phrases. Okay, my, my value, my number one value is family, families, everything. It's like, okay, you know, that that may well be true. And maybe that's how you're showing up right now. But is it? Is it useful to think that way? Is it useful to you know, is that going to change how you show up? Because if all it means is you're going to spend more time with your family. But while you're spending time with your family, you're just sitting on your phone playing video games, then you're probably you know, not really valuing family the way you say. So how about presence, you know, using the word presence, then bring that into your family might use the word courage, but what is it that you're going to use to move these initiatives that you have in your life like connection with your family forward? So these are some some really great points. Another exercise I like to put people through besides kind of the the word war that Mike described, is to actually go back into your past and think about two things. One is peak experiences. And you can ask yourself, when was I like, when did I feel the most alive? What was a peak experience moment that I had a mountaintop moment. And literally, maybe you were on a mountaintop, and that and you felt super alive. Or maybe it was a mountaintop in your career, or it's mountain time with your family, or a relationship, or a really interesting conversation you have with a friend that, you know, changed your life, or change their life or some moment where you just felt like, you lost track of, of your suffering, you lost track of time, and you were just super present, you felt so alive in that moment. And it could, it doesn't have to be just a moment, I would say it could also be kind of like a period of time, oh, in the summer of 2009, whatever it is, you can look back and say, that's when I felt really alive, or you know, in the fall of 2017. Like it could be a period of time for sure, too. And then what you want to do is you want to ask yourself, how was I showing up at that time? What values was I living by what values was I embodying at that time, that helped me feel so alive and make a list of those. And the other exercise I want you to do is to do the opposite of that. Go back and look at your regrets. Go back and look at moments where you you really actually hated that experience you you feel like you did something you shouldn't have done, right? Or you didn't do something you know, you should have done you didn't stand up for yourself or you didn't fight back when you knew you're supposed to or take a stand when you should have, or or taking that step of courage when you shut out and go back to those regret moments and ask yourself what values did I betray? In those moments during those periods of time? What values was I not embodying that has left me feeling so sticky and achy and gross about that period of time? Because I was betraying my deepest values in that moment. And what you're going to find through that exercise a lot of times is you're going to find some themes, right? So then you look for the themes, and you do some meaning making and say, Okay, these are the themes that I'm recognizing, through these exercises. These are the themes that I saw in my work, my word war, these are the themes I got from my peak experiences from my regrets. And now you can start to kind of whittle some things down. Because again, a lot of times when I ask people their values, they say what they want their values to be, not necessarily what or what they think they should say, if that makes sense. Mike, you know, let you kind of riff on that a little bit. But a lot of times, they're just like, Yeah, you know, my, my biggest value is, you know, family, or my biggest value is fitness. And it's like, well, you know, you don't spend time with your family and you're 50 pounds overweight. So you're probably not accurate, right? So anyways, what comes up for you on this,

Mike Abramowitz 17:44
and partially due to that is it lacks the emotional juice, I think is what yeah, like they're, they're doing it because that's what theirs they feel like they're supposed to say to what you what you mentioned. You think about like the regrets or the heaviness from your past or the decisions that maybe you missed, missed, at some point. That's partially why I maneuvered some of my words voicing and some of my values from influence backed by fun. Because I, I was a bit I like to believe at least I like to tell myself that I tried to be as influential as possible in a lot of the different relationships that I'm in depending on which relationship in which hat I'm wearing at the moment. But sometimes by by being in this position of authority or this position of persuasiveness, or a person of influence consistently, sometimes it'll, I would personally put myself on such a high pedestal that I was putting so much pressure on myself. And I was guilty of putting this pressure of like, I have to be right and it's it started, like, almost creating this righteousness, which made me not enjoy it as much. So that's why my second value, I intentionally made it fun. So when I read it in my order of influence, backed by fun, I'm reminding myself of, it's okay to mess up like it's okay to enjoy the process. Like in fact, the playful expressions in the moment are necessary. So sometimes, while I'm in the middle of a rant, sometimes I'll catch myself being so intense that like, I gotta lighten this up a little bit, how can I make this a little bit more enjoyable for myself and others involved? And sometimes I'll throw something inappropriate oftentimes, because that's my sense of humor. Just kind of throw it in there, but and then I back it up with faith because I do want to make sure that I am honoring this, this relationship with uncertainty, because the uncertainty in my life as of recent during the last couple of years, as we've, you know, I've as Lindsay and I entered into marriage and then entered into attempted parenthood when we had a stillbirth at 20 weeks and then, you know, the uncertainties with James of being born at you know, one pound or 26 weeks. It's like all of this uncertainty really finding this faith of this Shouldn't have an exciting future, even if it's going different than planned, you know, with COVID, or pandemic, like even if it goes different than plan, having this vision of an exciting future. So influenced backed by fun backed by faith, those big three in that order are very intentional. So the point I'm making, and that you really brought brought out and drew out of me in this, Andrew was, what you said is looking through your past and looking at your lens of, you know, as I'm creating my core values, what do I want to make sure I have a little bit more of what where, where did I miss it a little bit? Where Where was I kind of where were the some of the heaviness? And how can you maybe even position and order of your values slightly modified, based upon what you want, or when you want to be reminded of the next time you have a chance to live that moment, I just was listening to a podcast this morning. And it was a really beautiful quote that he said, I put it on my Instagram because I loved it. He said faith and love are theory, until tested. faith and love are theory until tested. And I loved it so much. Because two of those, you know, faith and love are two of my four values. And it is true. These values are all theory, like these whole lesson and topic that we're talking about is like, theoretically, this sounds really nice, when we need these values that when we need to call upon them. That's when the you know, the real fruit happens when Andrew your your wife is, you know, get doing the pregnancy at home, and then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, shoot, she needs to go to the hospital. And I'm taking care of Gabe while she's going to the hospital. And I also have Eli here, it's like we tried to do this home birth, oh my god,

Andrew Biggs 21:37
I have four in the morning.

Mike Abramowitz 21:40
So it's like, that's when we get a chance to use the core value. So all of the activities that we're talking about now of figuring out your core values is for when you need them. So you don't use the core values every day. Sometimes you do. But it's also the reminders every day to help you when you actually need them. Because it's all theory until you need them.

Andrew Biggs 22:00
Yeah, I love that. It's all theory until it's tested. And you know, it's so true, you know, kind of the old, the old saying about what you know, someone's values, at least historically have been is to take a look at their, their, their wallet and take a look at their calendar. And that'll tell you what their their real values are. And so that might be like an interesting audit for you as you're listening to think about where am I spending my money? And where am I spending my time. And those two can give you some really interesting hints about how you're showing up right now. And then ask yourself, well, am I proud of that? Am I proud of how I'm spending my time? Am I excited about where I'm spending my buddy? You know, it looks like I've dedicated ever get like the screen time notification, Mike. And you're like, holy shit. Like, I've spent so much time on this thing, call that phone or whatever. You know, and you're like, oh my gosh, is that possible? Right? And maybe there's a justifications like, well, sometimes I use it for work or whatever. But it's like, yeah, but like, no, that's too much time, you are not in alignment with what you are purporting, your values are and so it's an opportunity to think back to it. So just another little trick for you is to look at where you're spending your money, where you're spending your time. And it should be a really, really interesting hint about what you really are valuing. Because a lot of times our conscious mind and our unconscious mind are in a war, right. And it's like our conscious minds like faith and love and influence and an impact. And your unconscious mind is like I actually value you know, escape and I actually value you know, pride, distraction, power, ego, right. And so there's this war between like our baser selves and our more enlightened selves. Right. And I mean, this isn't my theory, this you can go back to Freud, and, and Jung and all these things, not that I agree everything that they've ever said. But it's pretty well established in the field of psychology that our site, our subconscious mind is oftentimes driving the action. So what I love about what you're talking about is, you're actually programming your mind when you say, I forget what the exact what you said about love is, but you literally tell you're telling yourself that you're going to experience love unconsciously. And so every morning, you're reminding your unconscious to act in a certain way. And then it can go out and do it. So, you know, I also think this idea of like, it's kind of like practice, right? I'll ask you what you think about this, but you mentioned like, okay, during the delivery of the homebirth, or during the challenges that you face in the last two years, that's when it's really being tested. And also, if on a more regular basis, we're not practicing this, then at the moment of the game time, we're going to fail, right? So what can people do when it is practice when it is shoot around when the stakes aren't as high because I feel like if they're not in rhythm you You know, once the game starts, and they really don't have a chance to make the shot. So what are your What are your thoughts there?

Mike Abramowitz 25:05
Yeah, I put this in my first book, your best year ever grab tomorrow, the best year ever. And the concept that stood with me is intentional growth versus circumstantial growth. And the idea is that people wait to grow due to circumstances, circumstances of their of death of a loved one circumstances of a disaster, a divorce of their parents or divorce of, you know, with their significant other or, you know, some sort of debt, you know, so it's a lot of the DS, divorce, death, debt disasters, a lot of the DS is what circumstances oftentimes, people wait, and that's when they choose growth. It's like, Alright, now I have to grow the grow, I don't have another choice, disease. That's another D, right. So what the idea is circumstantial growth is when we have to, we don't have a choice. Intentional growth is when we have the choice. So intentional growth would be like running the marathon, intentional growth be waking up at five in the morning, intentional growth would be doing a fast, you know, intentional, or these are the things that are intentional growth, that prepares us for the circumstantial growth. So when I think about practicing core values, when I think about intentionally going to an immersion event, intentionally hiring a coach, intentionally doing the personal growth and self development work, intentionally reading books versus Netflix, intentionally listen to podcasts, versus versus music, you know, intentionally feeding our mind and feeding our bodies intentionally drinking a gallon of water a day, you know, these are intentions to prepare for when the debt, the disease, the disaster, the divorce, or any of this stuff happens. And sometimes, by doing the intentional work, some of those DS get mitigated a little bit. And because we're preparing ourselves,

Andrew Biggs 26:52
yeah, and it's like, you know, we're not waiting until the very last moment, right to hit, quote, unquote, rock bottom to make a change, right. And so, you know, hopefully, you know, you haven't gotten as far into debt, right? Or your marriage hasn't gotten, you know, so close to the brink of divorce, that you you know, until you start making intentional choices, you you haven't really diseased the body. It's only just need some minor tweaks, if you catch it sooner, and so that intentionality Yeah, can ward off some of the some of the disasters in the catastrophe of life. That is, in some ways inevitable. And so, you know, it doesn't mean you're completely gonna, it doesn't mean you're completely gonna get rid of suffering by any means, right? That's not what this podcast is going to tell you. But we definitely feel like you can, at least if I'm, if I may speak for you in that, Mike, I think you can definitely improve your life, right? By being intentional. So what were you trying to say there is the

Mike Abramowitz 27:53
responsiveness, you're you're positioning yourself to be responsible, which is the ability able to respond, responsibility, ability to respond. And we're equipping ourselves with that. So the idea of the values as you go through them, and you're, you're being anchored to something, you're being anchored to principles. And that's, that's ultimately what we want. For everyone that's listening right now, can you be anchored to principles that, that you when tested? When circumstances arise, you can respond, whether it be with your business, or with your relationships, you know, or with your own decision making? So I think, you know, I think it's a great a great topic that I'm glad we're jamming on this because it's relevant.

Andrew Biggs 28:35
Awesome, awesome. Well, you know, is there anything else, Mike, that you want to share on this topic that comes up for you before we depart

Mike Abramowitz 28:43
for the day, the one thing that I had written down in my notes was, if you have if you get stuck, just think about mentors and role models and people you look up to in your life and not not who they are. But think about what you respect or admire about them. You know, there's character traits, for example, I think about, you know, you think about Tiger Woods. I mean, he just played in the massacres. And it's amazing and, and if you if you have someone you know, now, if you look at Tiger Woods, as a whole person, as a human, there's a lot of flaws there as a human. But if you look at Tiger Woods as how he shows up for his profession, and coming recovering from the car accident, recovering from the back injury, and like all of the things that he demonstrated, you could probably draw out discipline, you could probably draw out of dedication, like some of these core values of perseverance, right? That's like, wow, those are great character traits that I see in him that I would like a little bit more, you know, you could draw some of those out of people in your life. And it could be celebrity type figures, like a tiger woods, or it could be like, my dad who's ambitious, you know, they're looking at my dad as a whole it's like well, there's a couple things that are maybe flawed there, but I look at his ambition. I look at his drive, and it's like, wow, I like I want more of that. You know, 81 years old still working six days a week when I look at my dad and I see how much fun he has. You know, it's like how how caring he is these are beautiful character trait It's cool, I want to draw some of those out and have a little bit more of them. So I would encourage you, if you're, as you're listening to this is just think about people that you have in your life mentors, role models, that you say, wow, there's some character traits that I love about them that I want more of in me. And I want to develop a little bit more in me. And then you can kind of come up with what is your word to describe that that aligns with you? And then how do you define that word? Oh, now you have one of your five or six core values. And that's another easy way that you can go through this excellent,

Andrew Biggs 30:29
absolutely great reminder. And it's so true. And I think it's, you know, we admire people for a reason, right? Unconsciously we're drawn towards people unconsciously, we're attracted to people that are doing things the way we, you know, we believe people should be acting. And so those are role models for you. So again, you don't have to model everything about somebody else. Everybody has flaws, including ourselves, but it's what is it that you do admire in these role models and mentors? That's a great reminder there. Well, hey, this has been so much fun. We hope you've enjoyed today's topic. If you have any questions on it, feel free to shoot us a message and until then leave today better than you found it. We'll see you next week on the better than rich show. Thanks, everyone.

Mike Abramowitz 31:16
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